FadedFrank
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I appreciate the extra context so if you don't mind I'm gonna give my thoughts.
As staff this is one of the situations that can be difficult to deal with as race discussion gets out of hand REAL fast on csgo, personally I would try and get the subject changed and just try to not get into race discussion as based on experience it goes from a discussion to a bunch of people talking over each other and many many people needing mutes very very fast.
This I have to disagree with just based on experience as a staff member, people on cs are extremely good at spreading rumors and completely twisting the truth. The amount of racist and toxic people that get muted and turn around and say they did absolutely nothing wrong and the staff member is abusing is insanely high. If a staff member is being abusive THAT MUCH why is nobody reporting it with proof? I've had people go ape shit for getting muted screaming the hard r and saying they did nothing wrong, same goes for mic spammers, toxicity, baiting, sexism, etc. With the amount of people that get muted, some of them might get muted for something they consider to be fairly minor and unfair but on our end what they did could easily get out hand and cause the server to go ape shit.
While some people will disagree with some staffs decisions, our goal is to make the servers safe and clean for everyone and most people don't enjoy listening to discussions about race, politics etc, especially when it's 8 people screaming over each other. Most people just want to play and chill.
A lot of times when those discussions are happening there's multiple people yelling over each other and it can be quite hard to figure out who is saying what especially if someone is just getting on the server to respond to a calladmin, none of the voices will be immediately recognizable and it's a clusterfuck.
Nobody likes getting muted even if they're breaking rules, so when you have someone like gold who is extremely active and has a LOAD of mutes her reputation isn't going to seem great as the people getting muted are often the loudest and tend to be fairly toxic and have some influence with a lot of people in the servers.
If you go to a different part of the community that isn't strictly csgo like the discord where she also has powers to mute people, her reputation is fairly good, and I rarely see anyone genuinely giving her shit for abusing powers.
And all of those people were breaking rule 1 and possibly rule 7 depending on what they were saying, and you proceeded to join in, which means you were also breaking rule 1. I'm assuming you've been over the rules and know the baseline and responsibilities for becoming staff so I'm hoping you've changed your viewpoint on things. Also there are multiple ways to selfmute users in game which you can use.
Gold has a massive backlog of mutes/gags and is one of the more active mods, so getting backlash is to be expected, unfortunately that's just how the cs community is. Are 100% of her mutes fair, probably not. Some might be excessive and some might have been accidents, It's bound to happen.
What I don't understand is it seems like a lot of people are giving gold a load of shit and being toxic because she's abusing powers, however nobody is giving proof of her abusing powers, so all I'm reading is that a bunch of people are breaking rules being toxic to a member of the community, she then has more than enough reason to mute said people and those people will probably end up saying she's abusing powers and spreading false information.
From what I've read she abuses powers quite a lot since so many people seem to dislike her for it, so if it happens THAT OFTEN to so many people, it can't be that hard to get proof of it happening and yet nobody has reported her with proof yet.
Now imagine having to deal with that and getting shit on every single time you join the server, I hope you can understand how dealing with that kind of shit constantly isn't fun.
A lot of people on csgo do not like staff on any community server on cs, some of the people you might consider friends on the servers could instantly 180 the moment you get staff. It's happened more often than you would think.
Lastly if you genuinely have a problem with gold you should talk with her privately and get it sorted, drama between staff is a big no and sneak definitely will not let that slide.
I also want to clarify I'm not saying all of your mutes were justified, I just want to give a bigger picture and an idea of how some of us might see things compared to the average pla got no beef with her i stop giving a dam in like under an hour
I am not one to dwell on the past I stopped giving a dam about it after like 2 hours when she joins the server i am quite polite to her and always have been ive only ever been toxic to her once right after she muted me and the time i joked about black people did I give her shit about it then? no I was only mad in the moment because i felt i was treated unfairly but this incident was months ago. also I wasnt rude for the first mute either. as for the proof barely anyone has recording software going on in the background and people primarily use voice chat not written chat. also don't you think it's strange that its one admin in particular who is getting all these complaints? maybe there is a reason for that. I actually enjoyed her company before she started targeting me its a shame. (almost forgot to point out she is the only one who has muted me) if i really had a putrid behavior i would have been muted by other mods tooI appreciate the extra context so if you don't mind I'm gonna give my thoughts.
As staff this is one of the situations that can be difficult to deal with as race discussion gets out of hand REAL fast on csgo, personally I would try and get the subject changed and just try to not get into race discussion as based on experience it goes from a discussion to a bunch of people talking over each other and many many people needing mutes very very fast.
This I have to disagree with just based on experience as a staff member, people on cs are extremely good at spreading rumors and completely twisting the truth. The amount of racist and toxic people that get muted and turn around and say they did absolutely nothing wrong and the staff member is abusing is insanely high. If a staff member is being abusive THAT MUCH why is nobody reporting it with proof? I've had people go ape shit for getting muted screaming the hard r and saying they did nothing wrong, same goes for mic spammers, toxicity, baiting, sexism, etc. With the amount of people that get muted, some of them might get muted for something they consider to be fairly minor and unfair but on our end what they did could easily get out hand and cause the server to go ape shit.
While some people will disagree with some staffs decisions, our goal is to make the servers safe and clean for everyone and most people don't enjoy listening to discussions about race, politics etc, especially when it's 8 people screaming over each other. Most people just want to play and chill.
A lot of times when those discussions are happening there's multiple people yelling over each other and it can be quite hard to figure out who is saying what especially if someone is just getting on the server to respond to a calladmin, none of the voices will be immediately recognizable and it's a clusterfuck.
Nobody likes getting muted even if they're breaking rules, so when you have someone like gold who is extremely active and has a LOAD of mutes her reputation isn't going to seem great as the people getting muted are often the loudest and tend to be fairly toxic and have some influence with a lot of people in the servers.
If you go to a different part of the community that isn't strictly csgo like the discord where she also has powers to mute people, her reputation is fairly good, and I rarely see anyone genuinely giving her shit for abusing powers.
And all of those people were breaking rule 1 and possibly rule 7 depending on what they were saying, and you proceeded to join in, which means you were also breaking rule 1. I'm assuming you've been over the rules and know the baseline and responsibilities for becoming staff so I'm hoping you've changed your viewpoint on things. Also there are multiple ways to selfmute users in game which you can use.
Gold has a massive backlog of mutes/gags and is one of the more active mods, so getting backlash is to be expected, unfortunately that's just how the cs community is. Are 100% of her mutes fair, probably not. Some might be excessive and some might have been accidents, It's bound to happen.
What I don't understand is it seems like a lot of people are giving gold a load of shit and being toxic because she's abusing powers, however nobody is giving proof of her abusing powers, so all I'm reading is that a bunch of people are breaking rules being toxic to a member of the community, she then has more than enough reason to mute said people and those people will probably end up saying she's abusing powers and spreading false information.
From what I've read she abuses powers quite a lot since so many people seem to dislike her for it, so if it happens THAT OFTEN to so many people, it can't be that hard to get proof of it happening and yet nobody has reported her with proof yet.
Now imagine having to deal with that and getting shit on every single time you join the server, I hope you can understand how dealing with that kind of shit constantly isn't fun.
A lot of people on csgo do not like staff on any community server on cs, some of the people you might consider friends on the servers could instantly 180 the moment you get staff. It's happened more often than you would think.
Lastly if you genuinely have a problem with gold you should talk with her privately and get it sorted, drama between staff is a big no and sneak definitely will not let that slide.
I also want to clarify I'm not saying all of your mutes were justified, I just want to give a bigger picture and an idea of how some of us might see things compared to the average player.
