Lets have a discussion.

[Meowmeh (Dallas)]

So as we all know and understand, rule 1 of this server includes not baiting racism or saying any racial slurs. However, I believe this rule should be changed for the following reasons:
1. For a CS:GO server, saying racial slurs is a common occurrence. However, racial slurs are not the main source of the rampant toxicity on CS:GO. Sure, they can be tied with toxicity at times, but servers which allow racial slurs are not really the more toxic servers. It's servers which ban users for saying racial slurs which tend to attract more toxic players because the rules of the server are thought of as a joke. It just makes the act more enticing.
2. Severely restrictive rules aren't going to change anybody's behavior. We can't have the mentality that harder and stricter rules will change anything. When racial slurs are allowed, people tend to have a more mature and responsible attitude, unless they purposely want to ruin peoples' experiences anyway. What should be concerning is when people actively ruin others experiences, regardless if racial slurs are used. Racial slurs by themselves do not carry any weight unless someone gets offended by them and feels attacked, and again, aren't a main source of toxicity. What I've noticed is that not many people feel obviously offended when racial slurs are said - it's more of the people who are heavily concerned with rules who get offended because someone broke a rule.
3. Anything that alludes to race period is taken far too seriously at times. Even if the rule does not change, this needs to be addressed so that we don't have unnecessary anxiety about people who allude to, on one hand a controversial topic, but on the other hand a topic that CS:GO players don't particularly take seriously, and that's the point. We're not meant to take anything too seriously in a video game.
4. Referring to point 2, I think that the main concern for admins should be harassment between players. When people are joking around with racial slurs, nobody is getting hurt unless somebody outside of the conversation takes offense to the word. In that situation, the onus would be on the person outside of the conversation to disregard it, leave the server, or disable voice. In a way, this server should be promoting responsibility instead of strict rules.
In conclusion, I don't want to stir up unnecessary drama, but I just want to have a civil discussion.

 

[sneaK]

I think it's absolutely reasonable to discuss this.

Those who have been with us since the beginning know that we used to be extremely lax - as long as it wasn't a hard R or an extreme attack with racism, it was generally allowed. The reasoning behind the change was because of this lax attitude, we were alienating people who weren't ok with this kind of language, which is totally understandable.

We want to provide a fun and respectable environment for people to play games and enjoy themselves, without being persecuted for their race, religion, or gender. Before I really weigh in with how I feel on the matter, I'd love to hear opinions from others.

Edit: I've also moved the thread to General Discussion, so it doesn't get overlooked (and it's pretty on topic imo)

 

[♪ ryN]

it's 2017 if the n word offends you then you have bigger problems than not being able to beat kitsune

 

[Parrino]

Tbh the most fun i had on surf in a while is when Chris and I went on Turtle Gaming and we could say what we wanted. On here you feel so limited as to what conversations you can have and word choice that it almost becomes a task in itself to be fun and tell a story. While kids just spamming the n word or using it to blatantly harass someone should still be punished, at least in my opinon do not believe that people bringing up the word nigga in casual conversation should be punished and if you dont like that there are other ways to avoid it by self muting or disabling voice entirely.

 

[Robo]

On here you feel so limited as to what conversations you can have and word choice that it almost becomes a task in itself to be fun and tell a story.

Okay now I personally don't care about the N word, you're a fucking fool if you get offended by it. You having trouble having a convo on the server because of said rule might make you partially retarded if that's your issue.

 

[Parrino]

You having trouble having a convo on the server because of said rule might make you partially retarded if that's your issue.

Im not saying that its an everyday occurrence but being forced to use euphemisms thanks to a rule barely anyone follows is a little ridiculous

 

[s p o o k y]

There's an obvious difference between someone using racial slurs in a conversational way and someone using racial slurs to harass a particular person. I am NOT okay with the latter.

During my tenure as admin, I have typically been able to very quickly tell the difference between the two. I personally have no issue with racial slurs being used in conversation, but I also think we need to maintain some sort of rule to not treat other players differently based on race, gender, religion, etc.

Extreme racism is another thing I believe should be kept off the servers. It helps nobody and has no place in normal conversation. The rules don't have to be black and white (no pun intended) because our admin team is smart and able to tell the difference between the different types of uses of racial slurs. For example we don't need a list of what is acceptable and what is not, it should be quite apparent when someone is using slurs or hate speech in a negative way that belittling players or harming the community.

Those are just my opinions on the subject, not sure if that made much sense, but it's how I feel.

 

[spoon]

I personally feel there are more people annoyed by the rule than in favor of it. I've become a part of another server recently and it feels so much more open. Being able to say what I actually want and not be warned for saying or sounding like I said nigga while talking feels REALLY fun. I don't have that feeling of being scared of getting banned for racism when I really didn't mean anything in a racist way. I feel even the hard r can be easily regulated as it is extremely easy to tell the difference between what is and isn't hate speech. If you're an admin and you can't see that, I really don't see you fit as an admin. Of course there will be the select few which feel alienated by allowing such words; however, I feel that there are many more such as me who wish we could be so much more open in conversation. It seems stupid to say but it IS so much more fun to include such words, I feel like I can say anything without being called as a "racist." I've also come to understand that whenever any slur is stated it leads to absolute ass cancer and mic spam. I know I'm not a genuine racist person and wouldn't bring that to the server, I just would like have a lot of fun on this server again. For me, sneak's servers used to be so much fun and that has REALLY died since near the end of summer. Of course the rule hasn't changed this much, but I feel it has caused me to feel much more scared of having fun and actually saying what I want to. I fucking hate being limited by an admin who will just tell me, "we've talked about this next time its a ban." I feel the change in the rule will allow A LOT more people to have fun on the server, servers which allow "racial slurs" don't become ass because they allow this. They become ass due to the allowance of binds and slam. Once again, I hope this rule changes in the future as it will make me want to be a part of this community again. I miss having a lot of fun on surf, I really do.

 

[Parrino]

I personally feel there are more people annoyed by the rule than in favor of it. I've become a part of another server recently and it feels so much more open. Being able to say what I actually want and not be warned for saying or sounding like I said nigga while talking feels REALLY fun. I don't have that feeling of being scared of getting banned for racism when I really didn't mean anything in a racist way. I feel even the hard r can be easily regulated as it is extremely easy to tell the difference between what is and isn't hate speech. If you're an admin and you can't see that, I really don't see you fit as an admin. Of course there will be the select few which feel alienated by allowing such words; however, I feel that there are many more such as me who wish we could be so much more open in conversation. It seems stupid to say but it IS so much more fun to include such words, I feel like I can say anything without being called as a "racist." I've also come to understand that whenever any slur is stated it leads to absolute ass cancer and mic spam. I know I'm not a genuine racist person and wouldn't bring that to the server, I just would like have a lot of fun on this server again. For me, sneak's servers used to be so much fun and that has REALLY died since near the end of summer. Of course the rule hasn't changed this much, but I feel it has caused me to feel much more scared of having fun and actually saying what I want to. I fucking hate being limited by an admin who will just tell me, "we've talked about this next time its a ban." I feel the change in the rule will allow A LOT more people to have fun on the server, servers which allow "racial slurs" don't become ass because they allow this. They become ass due to the allowance of binds and slam. Once again, I hope this rule changes in the future as it will make me want to be a part of this community again. I miss having a lot of fun on surf, I really do.

This may have actually been the smartest thing i've ever seen you say

 

[a-ha!]

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